# Charge upfront patrons don't have any payment info on pledge history

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**Created:** [January 26, 2021, 9:07pm UTC](https://www.patreondevelopers.com/t/charge-upfront-patrons-dont-have-any-payment-info-on-pledge-history/4117 "2021-01-26T21:07:38Z")\
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**Post date:** [January 26, 2021, 9:07pm UTC](https://www.patreondevelopers.com/t/charge-upfront-patrons-dont-have-any-payment-info-on-pledge-history/4117/1 "2021-01-26T21:07:38Z")

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I’m integrating with the API v2 and one thing that I’ve noticed is that for pages that are set to charge upfront, when someone signs up it correctly creates a `pledge_start` event in the pledge history, but such event doesn’t have any information related to the payment (`payment_status` is `null`, while it should be `Paid`). I’m including all fields and relationships, and I get the correct data for `subscription` event types, it’s just for `pledge_start` that there isn’t anything.  
And also upfront charges don’t create any `subscription` event type, so how can I know if someone paid, was refunded, or something else happened?  
I cannot use the data on the `member` (`last_charge_status`), I need to go through the events for historical purposes (the one on the member is only for the last charge, I need that information for the first payment)  
Any ideas? Or hope that the `payment_status` will be added/fixed on `pledge_start` events?