# When does 'members:delete' event trigger? **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [April 3, 2023, 6:54pm UTC](https://www.patreondevelopers.com/t/when-does-members-delete-event-trigger/7293 "2023-04-03T18:54:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![antonioglass](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/www.patreondevelopers.com/antonioglass/32/2308_2.png) [@antonioglass](https://www.patreondevelopers.com/u/antonioglass)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2023, 6:54pm UTC](https://www.patreondevelopers.com/t/when-does-members-delete-event-trigger/7293/1 "2023-04-03T18:54:19Z")
Hello! I just made some tests with a real account to test a ‘members:delete’ Webhook event. That event was not triggered. I assume that it will be triggered once the member’s subscription ends. Am I correct? Thanks in advace! ---
**Author:** ![codebard](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/www.patreondevelopers.com/codebard/32/14_2.png) [@codebard](https://www.patreondevelopers.com/u/codebard)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2023, 11:37pm UTC](https://www.patreondevelopers.com/t/when-does-members-delete-event-trigger/7293/2 "2023-04-04T23:37:16Z")
Yes, when the member is no longer considered a member. This may be a few days later than the subscription end date since cards may be retried during that time and there is a grace period. ---
**Author:** ![antonioglass](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/www.patreondevelopers.com/antonioglass/32/2308_2.png) [@antonioglass](https://www.patreondevelopers.com/u/antonioglass)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 6:20am UTC](https://www.patreondevelopers.com/t/when-does-members-delete-event-trigger/7293/3 "2023-04-05T06:20:22Z")
Thank you! I have some more questions. 1. Will ‘members:update’ event fire when a user cancels their membership? 2. I also tested ‘members:update’ with a real user and upgraded membership tier. The ‘members:update’ did fire but in the payload there was a previous membership tier. Why it is wrong? 3. When fetching user info from ’ /api/oauth2/v2/identity’, who upgraded their membership, there are 2 (or more) currently\_entitled\_tiers. Why? 4. Currently, because of lack of confidence in Webhooks, I made a cron job that runs every day and fetches all users to check their current membership tier. What are Patreon API rate limits? Thanks in advance! ---
**Author:** ![codebard](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex036/user_avatar/www.patreondevelopers.com/codebard/32/14_2.png) [@codebard](https://www.patreondevelopers.com/u/codebard)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2023, 6:54pm UTC](https://www.patreondevelopers.com/t/when-does-members-delete-event-trigger/7293/4 "2023-04-05T18:54:54Z")
members:update should fire related to member updates. For pledge/payment changes, members:pledge:update should fire. 3 . That depends on your campaign structure. When a patron pays from a higher tier, the patron is entitled to all lower tiers. 1. As long as your app does not go haywire, you should be ok.